In this conversation, Evelyn and Braden discuss their career paths after graduating with the same degree. Braden reflects on his executive role at a startup that didn’t pay well, while Evelyn mentions her experience with a nonprofit aimed at helping children with disabilities. Braden dismisses her nonprofit work, emphasizing the importance of financial success and belittling others in the disabled community as merely diversity hires. Their contrasting views on success—Braden's focus on corporate ambition versus Evelyn's commitment to meaningful work—create tension between them.